In this interview Emma Barnes, we chat about the big problem of ableism in the meditation space (and we talk about yoga, too) and how the image of a thin, white, affluent person seeking “just a little stress relief” does a big disservice to a lot of individuals who could use meditations (and yoga) to improve their sense of well-being.

About my guest:

Emma describes herself as autistic, trans, survivor, abolitionist. Join her on Medium at and read her wonderful writing. Or, follow her @friedkrill on Twistigram (Twitter/Instagram).

Resources we discussed:

Oh Twist

Dr. Sam Zoranovich

Read Emma’s essay in Neurodivergent Voices Series: Grief Vol 1. Pick it up in ebook or in paperback from your favorite book vendor at